McCain booed for calling Obama 'decent'

As an Obama supporter thank you for stating this. I hope more who are republican speak out with your same sentiment.

Thanks Betsie. Other GOPers are speaking out as well, including Ray LaHood (R-IL) and the former Republican governor of Michigan, Miliken (sp?). Wouldn't be surprised if more follow in the coming days.

I am with eyewall on this.  I thank you for speaking your piece.  I only hope more Republicans will speak out on this and call on McCain and Palin to watch their words and actions.  People might say it's only words, but words can kill if carried out.

bravo

Reggie.. you are a perfect example of the low mentality that is part of this riotous behavior.  This is a disgrace and although I place someof the blame on the campaign hawkers who push the candidates to behave badly, I place the majority of blame on Palin.  She has no sense, not at all.  Any good "Christian" would have immediately stopped the hate-mongering in the crowd.  Wait.... a good "Christian" never would have continued to inflame crowds with her BS, day after day, same ol story...

Sarah?  the moose are calling... don't wait till Nov 5.  You can go back to AK now.. I believe lots of folks are waiting to have a chat with you!

REggie...I am a republican.  Have been all of my life, but I agree 100% with Betsie.  McCain/Palin are inciting ignorance and violence at their rallies and it is just not right.  Sarah Palin is a loose cannon and McCain should pull in the reins.  Should the violent rhetoric become actual physical violence they will bear all of the responsibility.

Dear Ms Betsie,

Thank you for your calm and well written post.  I have had wonderful conversations and level debates with Republicans like you.  The majority of Republicans and Democrats in this country and abroad are people like you and can disagree over political views but remain first and foremost patriotic Americans and understand we can disagree honorably.

I believe we need to become more vocal and lead by example --listen to each other argue respectfully with each other but remember to treat each other as ladies and gentlemen.  Thank you for your patriotism and your level headed remarks.  I pray that all of us will begin to act accordingly and treat each other respectfully even if we disagree.  We need to stop listening to the extremes of our political views who manipulate our fears through forms of circular reasoning, half truths and well planned propaganda attacks.  what we forget is that these so called political commentators on television and radio are entertainers seeking ratings and really do not have our best interests in mind--rather they have their own interests and personal financial rewards in mind.

I hope your comments will continue to inspire all of us to become American Citizens and embody the promises of this great nation.

Kind Regards,

G. Jerry , Michigan

I dont believe you ar a republican or you are just not informed. These things are not reported in a full context. Yes there might be an outburst from a person but that doesnt happen at Obama ralleys?If you look you see all the bias from the media such as quote"She accused Obama this week of "palling around with terrorists" because of his past, loose association with a 1960s radical." loose association ? She is talking Bill Ayers and it not a loose association, Ayers helped Obama launch his run for senate at his home and has work with him for over 7 years.Ayers made him head of his commity dont trust the media people you have this great invention in front of you. Use it to do some research then make your decision...dont let the media make it for you.

DM43....how can you say that we are not informed.  Ummmm...did you see the lady on t.v. say that she thinks Obama is a "Arab".  How can that be mis-information?  She is an ignorant old lady who is intolerent of other people.  She only tolerates people with blue eyes and "white" skin.

The best part about all of this was seeing McCain's look as the lady made her remark.  You could see the disgust written all over his face because he knows that he has lost the presidency by starting this.  White rural people are looking for any excuse to say negative things about Obama because they don't want to say the real reason why they are not voting for him.  It is easier to say he is a terrorist rather than say he is a black man . 

Oh and by the way I am a white woman born and raised in Southern Indiana.  Married to a black man for almost ten years and we have two beautiful sons who may one day want to run for office. 

DM.. maybe you should take your own advice, do some research before you make inaccurate statements about the connection between Obama and Ayers. He has admitted he knows him, they were on the same board, but were not friends... Lots of people are on boards with others and they only see each other at board meetings... He started his campaign in his home?? please.... You need to do more research and check out also Palin's very recent connection with the AIP... one gun-toting, hate-mongering, anti-American group!  I sure think that qualifies as terrorist... sheesh

At the same time, it is amazing how for 8 years democrats have been calling Bush a Hitler, a war criminal, even movies and books were written that Bush should be killed. Durbin a U.S. Senator even called our troops the Gulag, and hardly a whimper from the press or democrats.  This election should teach republicans and McCain one thing....do not try to reach across the aisle.....the press and democrats will only chew you up and spit you out in the end.  I can never remember a time when democrats reached across the aisle.  Stick to your conservative principles with honor and respect and you'll win on issues every time!!!   Remember, this country was founded on CONSERVATIVE Judeo-Christian principles.

I too am a Republican, since age 17, but not this election, not after the travesty of Shrub to our economy, and the travesty of war.  No more.

Palin is crazy as a loon, it has become quite evident.  I used to laugh at "Mooselini", but now I think it is on target.  McCain made a grave error when he allowed himself to get talked into picking her.  As for Palin, after all this, she'd be lucky to get a board seat on the school PTA.  It is very frightening, all the vitrol McCain and Palin have whipped up.  It is frightening, yet disgusting also.

Obama/Biden 2008

Bravo great statement

an Independent voter turned off by this erratic viscous rhetoric

Betsie, I don't think you need to worry about getting their resignations from the campaign.  At the rate they are going, they will never be elected anyway.  I was leaning toward McCain until this recent behavior.  Registered Republicans such as yourself should certainly be concerned of the mark this kind of behavior leaves on Republicans as a whole.  Your next worry needs to be how many of those on the fence such as myself feel like they have no choice but to vote for Obama given this recent immoral behavior.  Just like always, many of us will be voting for the least of the evils. 

reggie92

we know who the frauds are

Betsie, wake up and smell the coffee! No one knows who Mr. Obama is? All his past is secreted away, yes all of it except the tidbits some are talking about! This whole mess will end up in a "CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION" , and I am sure the "WE THE PEOPLE ", will enjoy that as the guys in dark suits in dark places redefine "YOUR RIGHTS"!

Thats all I am asking, I want to know more about him he didn't just appear on this earth 2 years ago.  There is something in his past he is hiding it, or he would address the questions.  If there is smoke there is fire, isn't that the saying?  Well Obama needs to put out the fire, his denial isn't working

I agree .  it's shameful, it has brought out all the NUTS.   John is better then that.

gypcbill-- Don't post 1/2 the story with false implications.  Post the whole thing and let people make up their own minds. 

Obama's campagin had a Muslim American outreach program coordinator (and yes, they have other coordinators for other groups too).  That coordinator was invited to a Muslim event and was given the guest list after he arrived and was sat.  When he saw 2 of the guests names (who are Muslim radicals) he realized he hadn't done his full homework and should have gotten the list first. 

He immediately apologized and resigned from Obama's campaign. 

I was a lifelong Democrat and believed Obama when he talked about "change."  Then he picked Biden.  So much for "change." 

McCain/Palin 08

Well Leena, just another example of Obama deny he knew anything about it.  How long can we accept his answer of denial.  If his people are supposed to check these things out befroe hand and they don't do a good job at it, doesn't say a lot about the people he surrounds himself with?

I do my research Rappites  just one of many http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLortBQ and this is from CNN who is in the tank for Obama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-45A6I-N5I

Betsie, ditto.  I am a registered Republican and have never once crossed the party line.  I said essentially the very "same" thing you just did in a post yesterday.
Long before this campaign got into full swing, Obama had my vote.  I had "already" decided.  His campaign has been focussed on the "issues," and he has provided sound, policy that can get this country moving forward.

And, "no" I don't agree with all of Obama's proposed policies and changes; same as I wouldn't agree with the Republican platform 100%. I like to use my brain, because I believe I still have one ;)

For those Republicans out there, educate yourself, "It's the Economy stupid!"  Forget about the health care and social security reform that America was PROMISED 8 years ago, and NOthing happened.  Not one thing!  Fortunately, I'm healthy and 20 years away from social security.  But, our Country is in shambles.  Also, WHERE are the jobs???  Oh yeah, that's right -- they went overseas, and big companies got billions in tax breaks!  I "understand" the whole economic premise that giving tax breaks will create jobs .... that is, IF you keep those jobs in America!

Now, we're in an economic crisis, and McCain has already clearly stated, "I don't understand economics."  What more information do you need?

The "smear tactics" used by the McCain/Palin have been absolutely wretched and disgusting, and they have "incited violent behavior," in their campaign.  IMHO, this is criminal behavior.

McCain has only told the truth about Obama.  The only thing I disagree with McCain on is when he said Obama is a decent man.  Just like he had a decent pastor and lest not forget ACORN.

Betsie, a superlative post; however, the word, swiftboating/waterboarding was born in 2004.  Yes, Mac/pal cheapen and trash America, lowering the bars on ethics, human decency and the evolution of the American mind.  All they didn't do at this rally, was rip off their shirts in a fit of frenzy and beat their chests and scream to the top of their lungs, kill, kill, kill.  Gotta kill some body, might as well be your's.

Most Americans have never had the opportunity to speak with someone reared in Hitler's Germany, but I have.  The vast majority of the German populous adored, loved Hitler.  Desperate people do desperate things and think and believe anything to relieve their misery. 

Betsie, I agree with everything you said in your post.  Yes, these two are inciting more hate and more damage to this nation.  Everyone in Western Europe adore Obama; this is a good sign because their thinking is evolving beyond the past centuries' worldview.  Their top concerns are environmental, global warming and securing worldwide peace.  However, desperate folks knee-jerk.  What America does not need right now is another Hitler, hate and misery but a coming together of a collective American mind that stays focused.  And calm and thinking and reasoning.

Laying aside politics, I believe Obama is the better candidate because, right now, America needs a super-power intellect and mind to help America with this desperation, and the calming voice of reason and logic that Obama's gifted brain can give to America.  Heil, McCain and Pal and Hate and voodoo and black magic; hate is evil.     

Bernie, above, said "Remember, this country was founded on CONSERVATIVE Judeo-Christian principles."   Again, it's people with a terribly faulty understanding of history that attempt to force the historical record into their own definitions.  The founders of this country were RADICAL reformers.  They were anti-monarchist, and had a progressive rebellion against a system that had dominated Europe since the 800's when Charlemagne established feudalism and a class structure based upon land ownership and the oppression of the poor, in the name of "Divine Right of Kings."  They were almost unanimously against the establishment of a national church, again, something that was almost universal in European countries.  The most conservative of the founding fathers was Alexander Hamilton, who wanted Washington to accept a royal crown and throne.  Jefferson didn't like the Judaeo-Christian tradition much, and cut and pasted his own version of the Bible using only the parts he liked.  He subscribed to the "Age of Enlightenment" philosophy of Deism, which held that the Creator made the universe of machinery (like a clock), wound it up and then left it to run on its own.  As I've said in many other posts here, history books are easy to come by.  Try reading a few of them and get your facts straight!

I truly don't believe you are a Republican and feel the way you just discribed. If you are so in tuned to what is going on in both parties why haven't you noticed the hatred being thrown at Palin and shown your discust to Obama.? Do you really think that all the invesitgations trying to smear her were not brought on by Obama.
I believe the Hate that you refer to is not with the Republicans but the Democrates and the Media not investigating any of Obama's past incounters. All he has to say is: I think the Democrates are smarter than to believe that. Why don't you educate yourself before you start throwing alligations like you have.
By the way I had always been a true Democrate before this election and believe it or not it isn't because he is black.

I tend to agree with you, Betsie.  While I'm not a Republican nor Democrat, I've made my choice for Obama and have stuck with it well before he was even the nominee.  I'm glad that McCain is starting to stand up for himself and what he truly represents.  I don't know if it's too late or not.  What I do know is that it lets me know that he hasn't shown much leadership in his campaign.  He has let his advisers run wild and now that it has gotten out of control, he has to step up.  To me, that's indicative of a lack of leadership from the beginning.  And a show of how desperate he is.  It's sad that it's gotten to that point.  I somewhat feel bad for McCain.  Just about everyone has wanted him to really stand up and be who he once was.  The unfortunate thing is that the old McCain is not liked by the GOP base.  That's what Palin was chosen for.  He's gotten himself into a no-win situation.  While his image may be repairable, I'm not sure he can work fast enough to win the presidency.

Jan...what world do you live in if you believe that the repub ticket is speaking truths? Bizzarro world?

Most people are afraid for Obama as it is! McCain and Palin KNOW THIS, THEY KNEW THIS BEFORE THEY STARTED THEIR HATEFILLED MESSAGE!

I TOO AM VERY ASHAMED THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE IN AMERICA IN THE YEAR 2008!

TO ME THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXPAMPLE PROVING McCAIN IS OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE DIRECTION AMERICANS WANT TO MOVE FORWARD IN!

IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO PUT A STOP TO THIS, IF SO HOW????????

I am sure Betsie is not the ONLY Republican who sees the truth.  See my post #1.38. My friend, a registered Republican for 30 years, will vote for Democrat for the first time in his life.   

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Very well said Betsie. This group of people rallying for McCain does not want to hear nice words about the opposition. To incite a group of people into believing horrific rumors about the competition, then going nicely, nice on them. What did he expect?

I’ve spent most of my entire adult life working around and with children. Setting an example is paramount. Parents understand their behavior is a direct reflection upon their children’s outlook and behavior.

The majority of adults understand the dynamic of behavior and the need to set an example of decorum in the social world.

John McCain chose to throw out decorum and go for and attack mode on his opponent in his run for president. Joyfully (for me) it has the look of a huge backfire.

I would love to see this country stand for respect, grace, trust and togetherness. I think we’ve had enough of the warrior mode. I’m all for standing up for what I believe, however, I want to do this with the dignity and diplomacy that incites understanding, not fear, loathing and hatred.

Betsy, Your a realist and I appreciate your candor.  I'm a republican turned Independent and I agree completely.  Your post is well written and I thank you for sharing it.

19 RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTS brought down the WTC. I will not vote for one to run our Country...

Betsy you are not a Republican.  You are a shill for Obama.  I dont agree with some of those Republicans who spouse hatred.  If you are going to demand McCain's resignation as a result of their behavior then you should also be demanding Obama's.  Democrats are just as guilty of offensive, irrational and divisive behavior.  Anyone with doubts as to this fact need only read through some of the democratic supporters on this blog.

Betsie

I am a registered Republican and I am ashamed of what is happening by the McCain/Palin campaign.

With the McCain campaign uttering strong language and riling people up I am afraid that they are trying to promote someone to do something terrible.

By saying Mr. Obama’s full name or asking just who Mr. Obama is, they are inciting and manipulating people to react in a negative manner.  They are using a form of terrorism tactics to promote a hate crime.  We all know that there are crazy people out there even when things are normal.  Right now in America nothing is normal and people are really getting nervous, mad and their minds are going round and round.  They are looking for a target to take all these emotions out on and I am really concerned that something will happen.

If this keeps up and one of these crazy people tries to kill Mr. Obama you know what will happen.  The entire United States will erupt into violence and many innocent people will be harmed or killed.

How can a United States Senator and a man that is running for the Presidency of the United States of America condone this type of behavior and promote it.  How can a woman who is the Governor of Alaska and running for the Vice Presidency of America conduct herself like this?  I know that Americans are frantically worried about the economy but we just CANNOT turn a blind eye to this type of behavior.  This is a major issue.   We must call McCain/Palin on their conduct and hold them accountable.  When people in their audience were calling out these names, McCain and Palin just smirked.  Neither one of these government officials did anything except maybe to encourage more by their silence.  Now several days later, when others are calling them out on this conduct, McCain gives a show of excuse.  Palin has yet to do anything.

How can this be?  Again, I state this is a major issue and should be confronted.  Neither one of them are fit to hold the office they currently hold when they promote and encourage this hate mongering either with the words they use or the silence they keep when others around them do.  This is SHAMEFUL CONDUCT.  McCain and Palin owe all of America and Mr. Obama a public apology and we should be demanding it.  This is a BLACK EYE ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

Americans and the world are watching.  Are we just going to let their actions or silence slide by?  Americans should be demanding their resignations from the campaign and from the offices they currently hold.

Sincerely,
Betsie / Florida

#2 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:34 AM EDT

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx reggie92

you are no republican.  you are another Obama fraud.

#2.4 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:57 AM EDT This is another great example of the Karl Rove / George Bush / John McCain school of attack. They can't attack you for what you wrote, so attack your character. Be prepared to be called nasty names like a terrorist, communist, child molester, whore or Arab, etc. When you get tired of the BS, come on over, you are welcomed in our party, we are always looking for people with good character. No Nazis, KKK, or skinheads allowed. Sincerely, Michael - proud to be a Democrat. 

why are people so obsessed with Obama's "past"? I don't know that much about past associations anybody in office has had. McCain may claim to be an open book but so do I and I have tons of laundry I kept shoved away from company. I served on many boards and even went to cocktail parties at their homes. Doesn't mean I was bosom buddies with them or even knew them that well. EVERYBODY in Washington including McCain has been at somebody's home or associated with somebody of questionable integrity. Quite frankly I don't think McCain himself has much integrity right now. He lied to us saying he wouldn't play dirty and he lied that Palin had nothing to do with abusing her power. 10 republicans and only 4 democrats said otherwise. I realize Palin is trying to say it was partisan but I'm not sure how that works when the majority are Republicans. Oh wait it was because some don't like her. Cause we all know that a jury in a normal court is full of people that are supposed to just love you.

Betsie, McCain and Palin don't OWE anyone an apology..They have no control over what the public thinks...

Uh, Beverly, they do have control over it.  There is no disclaimer "for entertainment purposes only", they want people to actually believe what they are saying as the truth.  If a rock and roll musician can be sued for "lyrics" that someone alleges causes someone to kill themselves why should McCain and Palin be held to a different standard of law and decency?  John McCain picked Palin to cater to the far right in the party without realizes what they were like.  Today, a little too late, he realized who and what they are all about and tried to mitigate some of the damage he has already caused.  That is what you saw today a mitigation of damages.

Some of us are looking forward to the day the Republican party returns to its former self.Moderates should be able to regain control after this election and drive the NeoCons out of the party. Compromise between the two parties is essential to a better government. Right now they do not deserve a vote in any election because the Senate members and the house always back the President and really not their constituencies.

Thank you too, it is so sad, every time I try to be open minded about republicans it is short lived, I can understand supporters of a party get carried away but the person that wants to be the leader for all Americans, makes it so sad and disturbing.

Amb, I beg to differ with you, no one can control the voice of anyone except for their own voice. If you were with a friend in a shopping mall or movie theater and your friend screamed fire which caused a stampede of people and someone was hurt in the comotion are you responsible for what your friend did?

Of course not your friend is because it was her voice not yours. You just like they are not responsible for someone elses actions.Now if you were with a friend and they robbed a bank and jumped into your car and you drove off, you would be responsible for assisting in the robbery.

Dear Betsie and company,

I neither believe you are republican nor that you not looking through a tunnel.  I am unregistered and appauled by the misrepresentation of the facts by the media.  It has been a norm for quite sometime to not be able to distinguish mainsteam media and oppinion columists.  Seemingly anyone with an extreme oppinion can write a column in a so called NEWS publication. 

Please remember that the democrats, the same group that are now trying to pull the race card or paint a racist picture on the rebublicans, attempted to paint Pres. Bill Clinton as a racist just a few moths ago, when he was helping Hillary run against Obama.  Come on... I laughed my butt off when they tried saying Clinton was a racist. 

In this age, we all need to use our heads and think for ourselves.  We need the media to step up and report the facts (ON BOTH CANDIDATES) and not their oppinions.  Show them we are a lot smarter then they think we are. 

By the way,  i don't know about you but I believe there are just alittle too many coincidences on Obama's associations for him to be leader of the most powerful country on earth.  I would absolutely be more confortable voting for the one )McCain) who has a record for fighting corruption and who has stated the he would do everything he can to fix these government problems than the one who has a history of association with the corrupted, not just one but a long list.  It's unbelievable to me how he  beat Clinton.  But with what has come to light in the past weeks...is it that unbelievable??????

Why is it obama did not refute what Georgia Rep. John Lewis or Florida Rep. Hastings said?  Because democrats have always played the race card. obama plays it when someone speaks out against him.  He cries race, but here are two examples of black Congressmen who are in-siting hate and fear and race war.  obama does not Dare rebuke them in fact his spokesperson said well we don't like what was said but we agree with some of it.. Say What? Again obama is playing the pity me I am a black man. You cant talk bad about me because I am black.. It was once told to me when I was in the Marines by a fellow black Marine., Blacks cant be racist because of slavery..  I about fell out my chair.. I believe that is were obama is, and what he believes.

I can not renounce my following, I am an independent who leans to the right, a conservative if you must, what has happened here is what America is all about, sad, but true. The left the right, open up, it is about left and right, unfortunately, there are more ignorant voters on both sides than we have ever seen. This makes neither side correct, I fear for Mr Obama's life, partisanship has gone out the window. All though I do not follow Mr Obama's doctrine, the ignorance on both sides has appalled me, no one here can stop or heal that ignorance, if people do not want to learn, they will not. This fact alone makes us all aware how racism and fear are so easily spread on both sides, ideology does not come into play with this segment of voters, it's all ignorance and fear. I applaud Mr Mcain for refraining from more unrest and violence, he can not win on polict alone, and has now realized how hateful and ignorant MOST of America is, both left and right, this should disgust most everyone here. This just proves America is not ready for a black/African American president..................................I will leave at that, the whole of America has a lot to learn. 

I will keep this short as I know that I am speaking to a brick wall.

Obama has one of the most questionable background of a presidential candidate in over half a century.

Neither candidate will be able to do anything about the world economy. That is in the hands of experts. Bush bashers, you should realize by now that this was not the fault of the current administration, but a combination of a very complex sceme to rip off innocent people, world wide.

Last minute politics is all about who can prove the opposing candidate in the worst light. That's the way it has been done since the founding of this great country.

Those that have been following the truth, are willing to seek the truth, and already know the truth should have little difficulty seeing the political brainwashing in full force by the Obama campaign since last year. I still believe criminal charges against Obama are imminent.

Obama will likely be elected. He will also probably be the most crooked politician elected in American history. Past presidents, winning by a landslide victory, have turned out to be the worst thing that could ever happend to this country...here we go again.

Betsie, I agree with you.  This is a despicable act from the "Palin/McCain" campaign.  I agree whole-heatedly that this type of behavior is UNFIT for presidential candidates of the United States of America - John McCain and Sarah Palin, and this despicable behavior must not be tolerated!!! 

I've certainly expressed this same sentiment in ALL of my postings, and I am contacting as many people in Washington as I can, and I hope that others will join me.

Okay, Reality, so it is okay for the Damocrats to be racists by comparing McCain to Wallace? Anything to do with race concerning Obama has been off limits until now.

And by the way, Obama is not black. He is half African, half white.

If despicable behavior could be measured, Obama is far ahead of McCain in all areas.

One month from now: "I see", said the blind one!.

Betsy in Florida,

First I do not believe that you are a Republican but just another Democrat in hiding posting biased information. If you are turned off by the negative campaigning why is it that you are not bothered by the lies and insults made by the Obama campaign. Sarah Palin was treated as poorly as I have ever witnessed in an effort to destroy her credibility. (For that matter the same was done to Hillary and Bill). McCain who fought for this country and the very rights of free speech that you are now exercising has been treated less respectful than Mr. Ayers by the Obama campaign and supporters. Joe Biden during an interview slips up and lets it be known he has no idea who was President during the Great Depression. Yet this is a guy that has been a US Senator for 36 years and he is going to help "fix" the economy? Please... Obama had/has a relationship with a known domestic terrorist and he is running for the highest office in this land and that is an issue. When you put that information together with his associations with Rezko, Reverend Wright and his questionable past and rise to power it needs to be addressed, truthfully and quite frankly Obama should have done so. The media and Obama supporters have viciously attacked McCain/Palin and the news coverage has been unbelievably biased. It is time that the news is reported fairly, accurately and unbiased so the American people have accurate information on election day. 

I highly doubt that you are a republican. you are obviously a george soros democrat trying to pass yourself off as a republican.....

If this isn't a complete mob mentality against McCain/Palin I don't know what is....how ironic.  You people need to stop the melodramatics.  A FEW....that's right, A FEW idiots make ignorant remarks and you act like all the conservatives are on their way to Barack's house to tar & feather him at the command of Sarah Palin!  My GAWD, people.  Get a grip.  

Conservatives have known about Obama's shady past for months and months and they've been beside themselves that 1) the media hasn't investigated it - they are in the tank for Obama (just ask Hillary) and 2) all you kool-aid drinkers do is proclaim how wonderful he is (EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T NAME ONE THING HE HAS DONE TO DESERVE SUCH PRAISE).  You people are to the point of sounding like brain-washed cult members!!  Change, Change, Change!!!!  Hell, Farrakhan has finally gone on record that he believes Obama is the Messiah!!!!  He says Barack has "captured the youth and youth will listen when the Messiah speaks....and he's speaking."  Conservatives are genuinely pissed off that this character has pulled the wool over so many eyes and they (conservatives) have no desire to see him in the white house because: 

1) he is the most liberal member of the senate

2) has a past filled with shady, dangerous, criminal, America-hating, racists

3) he keeps changing his answers when questioned about these people (lies about the associations)

4) will raise taxes

5) has no foreign policy experience in a very troubling time

6) very slyly plays the race card and then claims the other side is doing so

7) can't figure out "when life begins" - even to the point of denying medical attention to a viable fetus that has survived a botched abortion.  (some messiah, huh?)

8) has done NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to effect any kind of CHANGE whatsoever for the people of his home state.  He took his cues from some of the sleaziest politicians in this country - the chicago machine.  

We can say all of that without threatening to kill him or calling him an "arab" or inciting a riot.  But you will hate us for it, won't you?  Sorry, folks, we're not buying what he's selling....a pack of lies.

Again, conservatives have known this for a long time and don't need Sarah Palin to tell us about it - we need for her say it with the microphone, to the media in an effort to break the spell your Messiah has on you!

^^ Talking about drinking cool-aid

1) How do you measure "most liberal" again?  According to a few independent sutdies, about 20 or so members are more "liberal" than him.  And whats bad about being "liberal" again?  Change can be good.

2) All the Ayers/Wright stuff has been long de-bunked.  Only Fox News bothers to bring it up anymore, as its been explained to death.  CNN ran a piece just last week that did nothing but go over all the accusations, show the facts, and let the listeners decide.  Stop calling the press biased because they don't agree with the right wing propoganda.

3) What has he changed his answers on exactly?

4) He will lower taxes on everyone who makes less than $250k.  McCain, by comparision, will cut taxes by less, and will tax medical benifits.

5) So...being a member of the Senate Forign Relations Committe doesn't count at all?  And exactly what are McCains forign policy credentials.  And no, being a POW doesn't count.

6) Again, when has Obama played the race card?  BTW, please show us how McCain HASN'T played the race card over the past few months.

7) The church holds that life begins when the fetus is delivered, not at conception.  While I disagree on abortion (life of mother and cases of rape aside), I'm not a woman so if refuse to pass judgement on that issue.

8) More right wing propaganda.  Unless you happen to be from Illinois and can provide proof he's done nothing, then you aren't qulified to speak on that issue whatsoever.

Norm in Denver....where have you been?

This whole mess will end up in a "CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION" , and I am sure the "WE THE PEOPLE ", will enjoy that as the guys in dark suits in dark places redefine "YOUR RIGHTS"!

They're HEEEEEEREE!! They've been here under the Heading of HOMELAND SECURITY!

Go back and re-read your bill of rights, only one has been left UNTOUCHED by THIS administration? http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

The 3rd..."No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law".

Senator Obama has promised to RESOTRE YOUR basic RIGHT to Habeas Corpus, not ANYONE else on the campaign trail ...my friends.

"Arizona Republican John McCain rejected the wisdom of the founders of the American experiment "http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/328968

I fear it may be too late.

He hasn't pulled the personal attack ads. The Rezco, Daily, Ayres ad is running here today.  He can say anything to a small group, but until he, Palin and the RNC stop the personal attacks in their speeches and ads it means nothing will change.

Its ok for Obama adds to attack but not McCains?He has an add that says McCain cant be trusted on stem cell research because he voted no on 1 bill then he voted yes on another, so he cant be trusted. He voted no on the bill loaded with pork. thats John McCain. He has a sound voting record just look at it. just google US Senate and you can see all the bills ,what they were and how everyone voted. You cant let the media cast your vote.

McCain has injured his Image severily and may never recoup now being shunned by his own party

O knew Jhon Mcain had some morals he would have made a better president than GW just his own party turn on him Rove/Cheney.Thanks Jhon should your are still a man of honor .wish this was 2000 i would have voted for you .

Dm- there's nothing wrong with attacking, as long as you stick to the issues.  But trying to make a connection with some guy who may have known some one some where sounds like a high school gossip game.  Is this the best the republicans can come up with?

McCain shouldn't pull the ads, it lets you people know who Obama is, he has only been in the public eye for 2 years, but he is in his 40's, so that gives over 40 years of his life we need to learn about.  Do you think God just put him on this earth 2 years ago to save the world?  We need to know about him and all of him not just the things he wants you to know.

lets hope john has found his way and fires all those advisors that have been setting this nasty tone ,and he speaks up as the decent man he is. it's about time.

Disgusted

i agree with you. It is too little too late.  you cant stop this train of hate!

 the comments on this seed verify this!

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE FOLLOWING COMMENT BY LCAMP- good for your sir - you have hit the nail on the head.  This country needs to be united not divided (remember g. bush's first and greatist lie in his first presidential bit - "I am a uniter not a divider") - THIS COUNTRY WILL *NEVER* UNITE BEHIND A MCCAIN/PALIN PRESIDENCY, this campaign has been to nasty and corrupt on their side of the ticket.

The only way this nation can move forward is to unite - Obama can do this to a better degree than McCain - this fact alone is enough to vote for Obama - We will finally have a President who is NOT A LAME DUCK like Bush with a democratic congress that can FINALLY get things done...  AND IF THEY DONT DO A GOOD JOB THAN IN FOUR MORE YEARS WE VOTE THEM OUT AND START OVER AGAIN... but voting for McCain will accomplish NOTHING.... HE WILL BE A VERY VERY VERY LAME DUCK PRESIDENT FROM THE START WITH A HOSTILE CONGRESS AND NOTHING WILL BE DONE... only creating more ill-will with his veto power to obstruct meaningful legislation...

need I say more???

cholla

Sherlyn,

Rezco, Ayres, etc  are not personal attacks, they are information about the goals of this evil person.  You do not care that he is a socialist, something no loyal american is?  If not, you are not a loyal american yourself.

After a 30 day suspension from Newsvine, this SKINHEAD is back. PLEASE flag his posts to send him back under his rock.

DM43 - Obama ads attack policy not character.

Obama has split this country already. Being elected president will continue this split and probably widen it.

This will be a division unseen perhaps since the Civil War. Heaven forbid, but all indications point to the riots and discontent witnessed in the sixties. This is not intended to be a racist issue, but it will be claimed as one throughout history.

We will, for the next four years, be fighting each other about why we voted for an obvious crook, and justified it because he is half African, and deserves the votes of the people for that reason alone.

The fact that outrageous amounts of taxpayers money pay for his safety justifies this statement. If I am biased, then too is the secret service for paying more protection for him than anyone in American history.

Yes you are unhappy, appalled, pissed off, about McCain and Palin and Bush and every one else you can blame. But after you vote in this election...the only one to blame is yourself. Please vote your conscience on November 4th.

Someone tell men when the demobums are going to stop playing the race card?  Just when I begin to balieve they can't sink any lower one of thier shills manages to do just that.

Have you heard or seen this chanting or just read about it in the media?

I'm sure the world IS disgusted.  Not only this bashing, but being stuck with American consumer debt as well - as they all meet this weekend to try and shore up THEIR banks, as well as ours.  If McCain were elected (which I doubt at this point), America will have even less credibility than now, if that is possible, between the banks and the Iraq fiasco.

DM43:  When backed into a corner, blame all problems on the biased media.  Sorry, this tired old saw no longer works, if it ever did.  The only media outlet where you won't hear or see this chanting is on Fox News, which must be all you watch.

Go to YouTube!

DM43-- Are you kidding?  You clearly have a computer, go watch the videos that people at the rally's have posted.  They're all over the net. 

LCamp, it is too late to concern ourselves with the world's opinion of this nation.  The Bush years did that to America.  Already, this nation is the laughing stock of western Europeans who believe every American is a braindead, mindless brainwashed drone, and we all are wallerin in our sweet taters and cornpone, and our favorite yodel is, hee haw, shootem ups.

I'm confident that my European friends have had many laughs concerning the latest human garbage rallies of Beauty and the Beast.  These latest witch burnings just give the Europeans more American disrespect and fodder for their jokes.  The tragedy about these last rantings and ravings is they aren't funny but very frightening.  

DM43

Please keep posting. It proves one thing that the Mccain supporters think we are all stupid. My uncle was there and he is now an Obama supporter. He said the guy next to him had a shirt with Obama on it below his picture was the word terrorist. People cheered when this guy walked by them. This is inexcusable and makes me sick.

McCAIN - PALIN must continue to remind Americans that the most important quality in any President is "character".  O'Babble has not been truthful about his long relationship with the Communist terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.  Further, B.O. sat for 20 years in the pews of the racist, America hating Jeremiah Wright.  No one of good character, no REAL American would have spent 20 minutes, let alone 20 years with either of these scoundrels.  Barack Hussein Obama, has clearly demonstrated that he has no character, is a racist and belongs nowhere  near the White House.  GET REGISTERED AND VOTE FOR A MAN OF CHARACTER : Vote McCain - Palin ! 

THIS IS SO TIPYCAL, JUST LIKE O.J. PLAY THE RACE CARD WHEN SOMEONE GETS A LITTLE TO CLOSE TO THE TRUTH. MY MOM ALWAYS TOLD ME '' YOU ARE JUDGED BY THE COMPANY YOU KEEP'' , AND OBAMA HAS A HISTORY OF HANGING WITH A SHADY CROWD OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IF YOU HAVE HAD SO MUCH COOL-AID THAT YOU CANT SEE PAST ALL THE PRETTY WORDS THAT NEVER REALLY TELL YOU ANY THING, JUST REMEMBER IN ABOUT THREE YEARS OR SO WHEN YOUR ROBIN HOOD HAS SENT YOU DOWN THE ROAD TO MARXISM AND REDISTRIBUTED ALL YOUR WEALTH AND RUINED WHATS LEFT OF OUR ECONOMY AND CULTURE  THE '' ONE'' IS WHAT YOU WANTED. I DONT CARE IF HE IS PURPLE GREEN OR OR RAINBOW HUED HE IS SO LEFT WE WILL BE SPENDING EUROS AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL OWN EVERYTHING  BEFORE HIS TERM IS UP IF IT EVER IS.

Susan I agree with you totally. I grew up in the 60s and remember the thuggery that these scumbags did. the fact that they're not in jail is a testament to how left wing our courts and sleezy lawyers, not to mention the psychobabbilists who make excuses for these violent psychopaths. What is going on is a testament to the wilful political ignorance of the American electorate.  As a rule, they neither read much about politics or economics and are perfectly willing to be told how the system operates rather than investigate it themsleves,and sell their vote to anyone who promises them pie in the sky while screwing them over in the long run. To all of you parrots who are voting Oscumma----good luck, if he's elected.  I really think what Americans need is a good dose of Marxist reality. when you live on a quarter of your 80 hour paycheck just to make ends meet, have freeloaders dumped in you neighborhood without any notification, have your kids learn revisionist history, or be taxed because you want to own a gun or go to church, maybe Marxism wont' look so great

What is wrong with America?  Can we not have conversation anymore without attacking one another for not agreeing whole hearted with what we say or feel?  I'm tired of people blaming the media, the media has been biased for years but no one has sad a word until very recently.  I'm tired of people talking about being a republican or Democrat as if they were the bloods and the crips.  This has got to stop.  A house divided can not stand.  When will we learn from history?  Have our brains been so wired that we can not even remember recent history?  I'm so tired of people fussing and arguing over the most minute details that have no real meaning.  Let's worry about things that will affect us all and not just what affects us personally.  The economy should be our #1 concern because if that fails all the other side issues will mean nothing. Not the opponents race, not the opponents likability, and not the opponents background that never mattered to the campaign until last week.  Let's focus on REAL problems.

You mean the way Dick Durbin should be tried for treason for calling our troops "Gulag".  Or the way Clinton, Carter and Obama should be tried for treason for going on foreign soil and knocking our great country?  Or the way the New York Times undermined our military efforts by releasing sensitive material douring war time?

Bernie,

Or Palin being tried for treason for hanging out with the AIP. Or McCain for cooperating with the North Vietnamese (it's in his autobiography) and his relationship with a Hitler loving man who advocated on his radio show HOW to kill ATF agents.

Bernie, of course Mac is your hero because everything about your intellect is based upon the ability to mass murder and mass murderers.  During the Viet Nam war the likes of Mac STupid were called, "baby killers".  Yep, on the ticket, two fetus-loving, baby killers.

Don't you think "baby killer" fetus-lovers are an oxymoron?  If mass murdering millions of innocents is not evil, then what is your definition of evil?  Invading and conquering an innocent nation that had done nothing to this nation is your personal glory?  Bush's war was "pre-emptive", the kind of thing and war Hitler would perform, and how much has Bush's evil war cost this nation economically! 

This nation goes to war every few years, hemorrhaging a whole new generation of America's disadvantaged kids, that only want a college education, and the bad guy, EVIL-DOERS change with the seasons, and we just slaughtered a million innocent Iraqis, mostly women and children.  Baby-killers and fetus-lovers are an oxymoron.  Do away with the prefix, and the word becomes Moron!  What is more evil that mass murdering innocents.  And, 9/11 occurred because of this nation's, "bullying" attitude and worldview.  

then use God, so called christians? and this tired crap?

"I would also pray, Lord, that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their god — whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah — that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons," Conrad said."

lets get real......... if their lips are moving they are lying, its always the same old thing.

The best summary ever, wrapped it up in a clever little parody.  Cheers! 

I wonder, did McCain spend his entire campaign fanning the flames of incendiary comments only to be surprised to find himself engulfed in fire?

exactly. 

this whole race has finally brought to the forefront the divisions that have plagued "america" since 1492.  mccain's folks have let it get all get out of hand, and now folks are showing their true colors.

well, i say it's about time to have this conversation and to EVOLVE.  there are plenty of ways it could turn out, hopefully with this country finally living up to what it's been saying on paper since 1776 (when my ancestors were still picking cotton...), and we can get somewhere here and look like thinking, rational adults in the eyes of the planet. 

i'm not holding my breath, but i'm definitely ready for a change. 

let's bring it on...in a REAL and authentic way for once. 

I.CAMP? No your gop government and corpoarations are turning socialist. The people get NOTHING.  I would rather have socialism than this plutocracy where 2% of corrupt, fraudulent people own everything anyway.

WORKERS UNITE    UNIONS-LIVE BETTER  LIVE LONGER!

I am an independent leaning to the right side but I am worried for Senator Obama, what is happening right now in the US with the economy being in the tank, is people are getting scared and the zealots could become dangerous.

 Racism is still very much alive here in the US and I hope the candidates are taking extra care for their safety especially Senator Obama I do believe that there are scary people who will try to harm him

middleearth

o yes there is trouble afoot this behavior has got to stop:

. She fires everyone who disagrees with her.Thats what you read right? Well he disagreed with her cuts in spending and refused to follow them. If your boss told you to go to the store and buy a pen and you bought a pen paper and paperclips should you be fired for spending more tax payers money than you were allowed???

True, Palin has no morals - well, no ethics, per Alaskan judges.

If I recall correctly she gave three different reasons for firing Monegan, and they seemed to evolve to adapt to released facts - typical behavior of a serial liar.  Monegan was well within his authority as a state agency head to seek additional funding from Washington, as any head of a state agency would be expected to do.  Unless of course you are in micro-managed Alaska, where it appears you need the governor's permission to use the restroom!

Dr. V she can give every reason in the world for why she fired Monegan, that's not the only reason she got an abuse of power ruling. 

She got dinged because she had the 'first dude' in a governemnt office influincing government decisions.  And he was so stupid he gave a 25 page statement confirming his actions.

Ohiogal, you articulated everything in a nutshell.  First Dude, so reflective of the collective intellect of America's most evolved, sophisticated, intellectual, reasoning and awe-inspiring IQ's and higher level of consciousness.  Go Gal.  Yep, the Palins represent, that higher level of superlative intellects, grace, dignity and sophistication.

Just visualize them, OhioGal at a White House dinner party, seated with JFK and Jackie Kennedy, and First Dude grabs a hog's thigh with his hands and starts gnawing,  "Oh, dudes, where's the sweet tater pones and dat dar beer jug.  Heay, where dem dar moose burgers.  Heay dar beauty, where dar dat rifle causin I need to eat an elks face right now.  Heay dar, Jackie pass dar dat bear skin so I can rap duh Lady Dude causin she's a chillin.  Honey, yawl want some cornpone dar for Jackie.  Speak up dare Jackie, causin you talk so soft and low.  Heay, nuttin hoe cakes, what dat dat Jackie just said.  She speakin a different language right dare.  She talkin Englishhhduhhh???  Whoops, I just dropped my home brew jug.  Duhhhhhhhh    Got any duh dem wolves in duh white hut causin I can blow dem faces off right now.

Heay, Jackie, ever watch dem dar Flintstones causin dey our heroes, right along with Granpa grits.   

That is the crust of the problem, why did 'first dude' have access to government employees and files.  Why is this acceptable and is it against the law? Would he be the power behind her if VP and than President and you republicans worry about Bill Clinton?

Gov. P. is so "patriotic", that she "pals" around with a whole group of people who advocate Alaska leaving the USA.  In fact, she speaks at their convention (as recently as this year), and encourages them to "keep up the good work".  Seems like a somewhat closer association than Obama sitting on committees with someone who had been a radical in the 60's, when many of us were radicals.  Hmmm.........

If the FBI is to get involved it should be in looking into Obama's hidden life not Palins, Palin didn't do a darn thing wrong.

Its not like she was involved with terrorists or radical organizations.

Beverly

you better check and do a search, she and her husband are involved in  the Alaskan Independent party" that promotes to separate Alaska from the USA, the founder was a terrorist that hated this country so much that he was buried in Canada,  Check this info also Palin is in youtube with these people. She has connections with terrorists. 

The

quotes Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

In a 1991 interview currently housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Vogler is recorded as saying "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

My sentiments exactly.

I have been Republican, but not this time.  They have crossed the line of what is right and decent.  And Palin is a major hypocrite.  After all the problems that Shrub and his minions have caused, I doubt any Republican will be elected this election.  Although, I did notice one young guy's political ads in San Diego, he is NOT TELLING who his party is.  Smart guy.  I may vote for that one.

I think it's an identity issue between the dems and reps.  The hardcore, evangelical right has wrapped themselves in an American flag, "family values," and derisively point out the perceived failures of all who do not think like them.  While claiming a monopoly on virtue and moral certainty, these demagogues have infected the political discussion in America to the point people can't hear each other talk.  It's an implied insult to the true family values and patriotism of those who disagree with the talk show blowhards and their erstwhile fans who blindly regurgitate their daily talking points.

Rendering, herein is the difficulty accepting your reasoning.  At an Obama rally, would you see Americans acting like white trash, human garbage, and if they did, would they garner your respect?  What would the brain copulating and washing machine of the Repubs say if Obamaians at a rally hissed and booed Mac/pal?

Would these rantings and ravings lend dignity, grace and a higher consciousness to any American event?  Conversely, what occurred at these rantings and ravings reflected the lowest & least aware class of Americans, who conducted themselves like chest-thumping Neanderthals.  I'm surprised they didn't burn effigies of Obama at their Klan meetin and then toss sweet tater pones at the effigy -- that was all that was missing.  And, the ravings, kill, kill, kill.  Me gotta kill some dude, any dude ill do.     

You know,  Palin professes to be a Christian.  Even went so far as to have a so called minister lay hands on her and have the witches come out of her. and to help her in running for VP.   If anything I think he put some in her.  this is such a sorry time.  I am afraid for all of us.  Like I have said before.  It is almost like standing on the back of the Titanic waiting to fall.   Hang on people it is really scary.  John McCain used her for his own gain and what has it gotten him?

classical greg u are  100percnt right, if mccain would have stayed in the middle, and picked someone serious as vice president, he would win, and change i policies we would win. picking a woman because Hillary lost or was not the vp was the dumbest move ever, along with the fundamentals of the economy are strong . caused him to lose the election.

I think this is the end of an era where neo-conservatives had total exclusive power of the house, senate and had a veto proof majority. What McCain-Palin has done and said is a breaking point for the country and gives us an opprotunity to ask ourselves; Is this the direction we want our country to continue to go? I think the country is in the process of balancing itself out and eventually it will spike to the other direction in the next decade. This is the nature of U.S. political history.

The man is ignorant! Shame on him and HER for opening old wounds this country need not be a part of again. Racism is not accepted in the 21st century!!

There is only one racist in this contest and it's Barack Hussein Obama.  Remember ?  He's the guy who sat in the church where Jeremiah Wright taught racism and hatred for everything American.  And he sat there for 20 years !

Robin this could be said in a different way against  the Dems as well.

Middleearth,
  Did you hear the people boo McCain when he corrected the woman who was obviously intellectually challenged?  That should give us an idea of what type of people we are dealing with.  These people still think the world is flat.  I believe McCain showed that he has class and understands that America cannot allow these hate mongers to get out of control.  Palin on the other hand is one of them.  Karl Rove who is writing the negative ads is the same person that labeled McCain a coward and traitor in the 2000 election against Bush.  According to Rove, McCain gave the enemy information that led to many Americans being killed in Viet Nam.  Rove has no morals, values, or respect, for any person, he is evil.  I am afraid Rove is writing the Palin speeches, we know she isn't after listening to her being interviewed By Charlie and Katie.  She doesn't have a clue what she is saying or doing.  In her position she is a very dangerous person that would step on McCain as well as any of us to get what she wants.  McCain doesn't scare me, Palin is as EVIL as any person on earth.  You let this monster out of her box and she will destroy us.  McCain is 72 and has some major health issues.  Her following are those people McCain corrected.

If you lay down with dogs you will wake up with fleas......take it any way you want, it is a sad fact you are judged by who your friends are! So for either candidate this is true.

Politics at its best

Karl Rove who is writing the negative ads is the same person that labeled McCain a coward and traitor in the 2000 election against Bush. According to Rove, McCain gave the enemy information that led to many Americans being killed in Viet Nam.

And so Rove is now doing his utmost to get a "traitor" into the White House. What does that suggest about Rove's latest round of smears? Whether or not you fell for Rove's smears in 2000 why should you fall for them in 2008?

Actually, they've accused him of associating with terrorists, so in my eyes, that's about as much as calling Obama a terrorist.

How do you know anything about Obama?  Where was he born?  Where was he raised?  Did he ever practice the Muslim religion with his dad?  How did he get so much power so fast?  Why is the MSM not looking into any of his past?  This is unprecedented and very worrisome for a lot of Americans.  I just think something really does not look right with how he has evolved so fast.  What experience does he have to lead America through a real crisis?  You may not like or agree with McCain but he does have a record of leadership.  And also remember everyone, the Dems. are in charge of the Senate and Congress.  This economic crisis happened on their watch.  If the Reps. would have been in charge you would be outraged.  I say out with all of them and lets start a new day with a new Congress.

Johnny Boy now has a record of spreading hate and discontent. He already had a record of cheating on his wifes. cheating with Charles Keating. He is unfit to lead and should step out of the race. Repubs dont love America, Only money.

reggie92

The Dem's have a slight lead in congress for just a the last two years... the pubs have had it for a great deal longer than that. Do you honoestly believe that the economic woes we face today have been created in only the last 2 years? lol

As a resident of Las Vegas, one of the most hard hit by the housing fiasco, I can tell you... the problem started quite a few years before that... and it was caused by deregulation... You do know that McCain calls himself the "Deregulator" dont you?

No it sterted back with Jimmy Carter got worse with Clinton and exploded in Bush's face and its all his fault.look into the facts that the media doesnt tell ya. it was the missuse and abuse of Fanny and Freddy that got us here and it will all come out.I blame the Dems for blocking the regulation of these 2 and the GOP for not making them enforce regulation.The scary thing is the same people that caused this mess is in charge of fixing it.

Good ole Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are the major players in this economic disaster and all you libs know it.

Reggie 92.  You sir. are a loudmouth and a joke.   I am so angry that I will never have the minutes of my life back it took me to read thru the snot you call opinion.  

I implore you to just stop.  If you want to support one candidate or another that is fine.  But your uninformed ramblings regarding both candidates is just annoying.  You are part of the problem.  You are not smart enough to contribute anything of value and your commentary is just juvenile.  Grow up. 

Also, please, if you must continue your rants,  Learn to form a sentence and learn your punctuation, I will never read another thing with your name on it, but if you insist on polluting these blogs, do yourself a favor and at least conceal the fact that you are poorly educated.

reggie- but frank and dodd are only two people.  Why didn't the republicans stop this disaster from happening.  The morgatge problem initiated in 2003 (led by bush)  and was out of control by 2005, when the dems in congress wanted to stop it in 2006 the republicans filibustered everything that went on the floor. 

though i do agree that both parties are to blame, u'd have to be foolish to not see is the most  to blame.

lol You believe whatever you like... that doesnt make it true. If you would but one moment look at something other than just the right wing rags, you will find that it is not the "poor" losing their homes... it is the middle class; Those who had good credit ratings, decent jobs, ect... that were priced right out of the market by greedy lenders and brokers.

My brother in law was one of these... he moved from one area of the country to another because of employment.. You see, his company started outsourcing to another country (you know, the republican way of doing things) for the tax break. So, he had to find another job. When he got here, home ownership (the only true investment most of middle america has) was out of his reach because of soaring prices. (My own home value had increased 300% in about 6 months.. I wisely did not refinance because I knew it couldnt last.)

He decided that the only way he could get into a home was to get a loan that he could not afford and creatively finance... hoping that once the bubble peaked, he could refinance and actually afford to make principle payments instead of just interest only. Unfortunately, like many others, the economic downturn (falling wages, rising prices) out lasted him.. and he lost his home.... and we lost our home values. Our home is now worth less than we paid for it 15 years ago because of a flooded market.

In a regulated market, this could have never happened. And America shoould have learned that in the Keating scandal.

Reggie, all of the things you ask about Obama are matters of public record.  How can you continue to ask these questions in such a way as to suggest that the answers are not available? 

Where was Obama born?

Honolulu, Hawaii, 1961. 

Where was he raised? 

He lived in Hawaii until 1967 when his mother moved to Indonesia.  They lived there for 4 years until Barack was 10.  They then moved back to Hawaii to live with his white grandparents and attended school until 1979 when he graduated high school. 

Did he ever practice the Muslim religion with his dad?

His dad divorced his mother when he was 2 and moved back to Kenya.  He saw his father only one time before he died in 1982.  So, no.

How did he get so much power so fast?

He took out loans to put himself through college.  He graduated in 1983 from Columbia where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations. He worked for a year at the Business International Corporation and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.  He moved to Chicago and worked as director of Developing Communities Project (DCP), a community organization of Catholic parishes.  He went to Harvard Law School in 1988, where he became the first black editor-in-chief of the Harvard Law Review.  He worked summers at sevaral law firms and  graduated  magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991.   He recieved a fellowship to write a book about race relations from the University of Chicago Law School.  This book became his memoir Dreams From My Father.  He taught at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992-2004.  During this time he chaired and volunteered for many Chicago community organizations.

He was elected for state senate in 1996 and was re-elected twice.  Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee in 2003.  In 2004 he was elected to the U.S. Senate and gave the keynote address at the DNC convention.  The rest is recent history.

Gee, what a meteoric rise to power!  No one who tries really hard and dedicates his life could possibly pull this off.  There must be a conspiracy!  Yeah right.

Why is the MSM not looking into any of his past?

  Because only idiots don't know what it is.  In other words it is not considered a news story except by people who don't pay attention.

This is unprecedented and very worrisome for a lot of Americans

Only for Americans who, again, don't pay attention. 

Don't be a tool, dude.  Pay some attention next time

How soon the GOP cheerleaders forget McCain's right hand man, the good ol' Phil Gramm, the champion of banking deregulation.  He even introduced legislation that prohibited banking oversight!  Way to go, John.  And before you keep throwing rocks at Dodd and Frank, you may want to fire your campaign manager who was on the payroll of Fannie Mae's chief lobbying firm until last month, to the tune of $15K a month.  

Hey Stevie, you sound like Keith Olbermann.  You sir are the real joke.  Good night and good luck.

its alright, I understand you being upset, the truth hurts.  I am trying to help you.

radagast...thank you for putting that out there, so simply. Please keep reposting so that the same questions, dont keep going on and on and on and on!

Stevie, I thought you were not going to read anything I wrote anymore.  Typical Obama flipflop. 

I have to say iam voting for obama,but its just not palin and mc cain who are  putting it out there about being a muslem or some other kinda hate facter its also rush limbuagh and hanity of fox .They have some dispelicable people over at fox.Palin is just to stupid to even know what she is doing so i dont balme her as much as hanity and rush.Rember the fist bump and how that was a sighn of being a terrroist?What a station to watch.........

Reggie, it is legal in this nation to be a Muslim; they aren't outlawed, and the precepts of America's justice system is innocent into proven guilty.  Guilt by association is not a crime until proven by a court of law.  Just because, I say it is true, doesn't mean it is.

Years ago, one of my neighbors was a wife-murderer, and I knew this man; I talked with this man [he best exemplified every concept of that A word, and he, too, was a politician!].  However, because I talked to him -- even about politics -- does not even mean, I liked him.  Long before he committed murder, I disliked him; however, I was only guilty of talking to this hideous person, nothing else.  And, we talked politics and issues.  Conversely, his wife was the sweetest, most gentle, likable person in the world.  

Just because someone may have talked to Timothy McVeigh or went to a meeting with him or even thought politically like McVeigh, does not mean they are a terrorist.  Ayers was a war and American worldview protester when Obama was a little child.  Do you remember all the war protesters of the Viet Nam era?  One man's God is another man's satan.  I highly dislike immoral Mac because he deserted his crippled wife and ruined his children's lives in the process.  He also was a Viet Nam "baby killer" and according to the Bible, he is a murderer.  Whom did Obama murder?  "Thou shall not kill". 

Mac has murdered more humans & babies than Obama.  Mac rained terror, misery & murder onto the innocents of Viet Nam.  Mac used far many more bombs than Ayers ever did!!!!  Murder is murder -- according to Christianity, anyhoo.  If killing and bombing is reflective of the American conscience, then the murderer and baby killer honor belongs to Mac.

Did you talk to your neighbor after you knew he murdered his wife.  Or before you knew about it.  Obama knew the history of William Ayers and he still wanted to be around him.  The same with McVeigh, if you were to have hung around him before he did what he did that is o.k. by me.  But, if you want to be his buddy know.  That's totally something else.  I just want to know from Obama himself why he wanted to be around a known terrorist.  As for you if you are hanging around with and talking politics with know murderers you must not have many friends.

Lie to your supporters, they cheer. Tell the truth, they boo you! How backwards is that?!

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Do you not have skeletons in YOUR closet How would you feel if individuals still wanted to punish you for indiscretions you amde in your 20's 40 years later?

reggie92,

  Do you think Karl Rove was right that McCain gave information to the enemy in Viet Nam that helped put 58,000 plus names on the forgotten wall in Washington DC?  I was in the Marines in Viet Nam Reggie, You know the people who were actually doing the fighting.  It was the Army and  the Marines that actually did the fighting Reggie.  My brothers name is on that wall along with many of my friends.  I do not believe Karl, I think that McCain is a man who would not sell out his Country.  I also believe McCain is too old to be President.  You were right 8 post ago, It is time for you to go to bed, you don't have a clue as to what is going on.  You are a puppet Reggie, " It is not the things that you don't know that makes you a fool, it is the things you know that ain't so"

My first reaction was similar to yours, Mr. Obeid.  My ancestors literally came here on the Mayflower, but when I heard that comment, "He's an Arab," I shouted at the T.V. "SO WHAT!"  This is America and ANYONE born here or naturalized here is just as much a citizen as me...no matter WHERE they came from!  When, when when will we come to our senses and remember what truly makes our Country the best example of liberty and freedom in the world?  Stop the fear!  We are BETTER than this.

Whenever I see Palin, and read about her public appearances, it reminds me of Hitler - she is a scary person, and just disgusts me.

Bravo. Bravo. You said it! There's no place for this discrimination against Arabs or any other race in the great United States of America. Reminds me of Bush and Cheney stirring up hatred against any "towel-head" following 9-11 with over-reaching Islamic-terrorism propaganda. 

Reject Bushism/Rovian ignorance. Reject Bushism/Rovian racism. Oust McCain/Palin and vote Obama Biden in November.

lol! i think reggie is jealous, he's canidate is so lame that he is voting more against obama than for mccain!

Reggie - are you 8 years old or something?  Please don't:

vote, ever, not for class president, not even in a taste test.

have children because that would be cruel.

ever own a fire arm.  Not because I think you're a redneck, but because I don't think you're smart enough to own it without shooting off your big toe.

operate heavy machinery.  See reason for fire arm.

write a book.  Not because I think your oppinions will pollute the country, but just because I don't want you to snap from the stress of actually doing research.

ever stop contributing to these threads.  Even though many find you repulsive and ignorant, I get quite a lot of laughs, and lord knows I like to laugh at stupid people!

...tool

I actuall think it was Obama who was 8 when his pal William Ayers was bombing buildings in our great country.  Trying to kill our fellow citizens.  Great guy, huh?

douglas...well said. People can be so hateful. I believe in tolerance and the good in people, no matter what your religion, color or ideology. As long as you are an asset, as a human being, and you dont try to thrust your ideology down my throat, I dont care what you believe in. It is ridiculous that in 2008, we are still faced with hatred, bigotry and outright racism. And Reggie is the perfect example of it. Do you ever try to imagine what this person looks like? Do his neighbors like him? Is he capable of "going postal"? Is he one of those people, that his co-workers would just wish he would shut the hell up? He is just a spewer of hate. He has nothing constructive to say. Maybe he has personal problems. Maybe he is bored. Who knows.

Reggie, Ayers contributed to a committee that Obama was appointed to.  Both were appointed/invited by a GOP conservative.  They discussed education.

Ayers was given the title Chicago Man of The Year by Mayor Daley.

Every single politician in Chicago, both Repub and Dem could be said to have ties with Bill Ayers.  Bill Ayers is a respected member and a contributing member of Chicago, despite what he did in the 60's.  Obama's only fault is that he moved to Chicago.  To make any more of it is simply grasping at straws.  It is outrageous that Mcshame would use this to call Obama a terrorist and insight the basest human emotion - fear- in his supporters.  That fear is getting out of hand as evidenced by Mcshame trying to put the genie back in the bottle and then getting booed for it.

Fear mongering is the only tactic Repubs have used since Pat Buchanan instructed Nixon to use it against McGovern.  It is appalling and it is the sole reason that there exists a "culture war" today in this country.  The repub strategy of dividing the population by fear in order to control them so as to get elected is tearing this country apart.  You Reggie, are a casualty of that "culture war."  You believe whatever crap scares you the most.  You are a victim of dissinformation.  You have been rendered a tool by the repub strategy.

...wake up

Wow there is a sane person on newsvine!  I totally agree!!  No matter who wins we are in for a long ride and I for one do not like the coarse either would take us.

Hey, does this mean you guys are leaving the country; can I help you pack? 

Bob; no, I didn't tell me about the economy, and Reggie, I think you mean "course."

Gee thanks for the correction.  Big deal!

Bob Barr there?

Good points, Mary.

Mary, Palin is a breath of fresh air and I think McCain was totally right in his decision, but I also feel because she is a beautiful women, that most women are intimidated by her upfront and honest talk.  She hasn't brought up one thing about Obama that doesn't warrent some type of investigation.  I guess the reason most Republicans have lost their cool is because of the biased reporting that haven't done their homework and refuse to do so.

it is a sad day when someone that has only 2 years experience in the Senate can run for office.  He was only 22 when he was a Community Organizer, which seems to be all he can contribute to society.  He didn't pay his way thru college and there is no proof that he has ever paid a cent back and guess what he moved into a 1.4 million dollar home right after graduating.  If he only made $12,000 a year as an organizer, he must really have some dear friends.

What do you think will happen when he taxes small businesses 61%, do you think they will be able to keep all the people they employ?  More jobs will be lost. 

It's about time that the people that have taken advantage of the system by living off the government, should start taking responsiblity for themselves.  If you wanted a communist country why not move to one.

Palin has not been truthful about anything!  Her first speech was filled with lies!  Her idea of running a government is filling it with incompetent friends and family and hiring and firing without regard to fairness and justice.  She has shown no respect for rules and has even said she would like to change the Constitution to give her MORE power?  Good grief!  Bush and Cheney have all but turned this country into a serfdom and she wants more power?  No Way!

Pat, sorry but you are truly a sheep.

Pat, you're obviously a Republican.  While Obama was making $10k a year (not $12 k) he was teaching Constitutional Law in college at night to lily-white conservative kids who could care less about the Contsitution.  I know a Republican might not care about the Constitution and might not think that expertise in CDonstitutional Law might not be a qualification for president, I suppose flunking out of Annapolis repeatedly and being re-instated because of his father's influence is more like the Republican version of the "American way." 

Sooo... much to correct...

Mary, Palin is a breath of fresh air and I think McCain was totally right in his decision, but I also feel because she is a beautiful women, that most women are intimidated by her upfront and honest talk. 

Do you mean the "honest talk" whre she lied about why she fired the head of the troopers?

She hasn't brought up one thing about Obama that doesn't warrent some type of investigation. 

Even though many of the things she has brought up were investigated, proven false, and she still keeps saying them?

I guess the reason most Republicans have lost their cool is because of the biased reporting that haven't done their homework and refuse to do so.

Or it could be that she keeps repeating lies after they have been proven to be just that.....

it is a sad day when someone that has only 2 years experience in the Senate can run for office. 

You must mean 2 years as Governor..... Because Obama has been in the seante for 11 years.  8 as a state senator, and 3 as a US senator.....

He was only 22 when he was a Community Organizer, which seems to be all he can contribute to society. 

Yes... Even though he graduated "Magna cum Laude" (Top of the class) from columbia university.......

He didn't pay his way thru college and there is no proof that he has ever paid a cent back

He got through school on a combination of scholastic (good student) scholarships and student loans.  He finshed paying them off 4 years ago.

and guess what he moved into a 1.4 million dollar home right after graduating. 

Uhhhh... WRONG.....  He bought the house when he was an attorney (after graduating top of the class at Harvard Law.... FYI.. with those degrees (and the fact that he was president of the law review) He could "literally" have written hi own ticket on wall street.  Instead... he chose public service.

If he only made $12,000 a year as an organizer, he must really have some dear friends.

He may have.. and his wife was also working

What do you think will happen when he taxes small businesses 61%,

Not sure what would happen,because he never proposed that. 

In fact... he has poposed a tax cut for businesses that hire US workers, and a tax credit to help pay for worker healthcare.  Other than that, he has proposed a tax increase on capitol gaines "profits" above $250K, and the increase is 3%.

do you think they will be able to keep all the people they employ?  More jobs will be lost. 

On the contrary.  Businesses are taxed on "profit" not expense.  Profits come after ALL expenses, including employee expenses...  What is killing small buinesses (like mine) especially those that compete with other countries, is healthcare coverage costs...  "trickle down" is a lie.... With multinational corporations... the trickle is away...

It's about time that the people that have taken advantage of the system by living off the government, should start taking responsiblity for themselves. 

I don't want to live off the governemnt.  I work hard, and have for 20 years, as has my wife.  Not big on giving Billions to Oil companies though

 If you wanted a communist country why not move to one.

So anyone that disagrees with you is now communist?  Sounds like McCarthy to me..... and that worked out so well.

Ohh BTW.. The last 8 years didn't work out either, and McSame has the VERY same policies.  Doing the same thing and expecting something diffeent is insanity....

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